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Problems on the Crown Princess

CharlieW

Deckhand
A friend of mine sailed on the Crown on Sunday out of Brooklyn. At midnight the ship was still in port.

What the passengers were told was that the refueling barge did not have enough fuel...TWICE.

It turns out that they had to drop Grand Turk. They gave the passengers a $200 credit. My friend loves the extra day at sea but a lot of the passengers are not happy.
 

Carolyn Jane

Deckhand
Fuel people holding out for more money??? Here's a question: Are large ships more fuel efficient than small ones? Or are they less efficient but more profitable because of the huge number of passengers...? Maybe they need to add sails...CJ
 

Dani

Deckhand
From what I have read, you are ahead with a sea day and $200.00 to spend ....I have read that there is not much to do in Grand Turk.

Strange about the fuel? Do the ships have a fuel contract with a upper limit on amount to be paid ?

Was the fuel company locked into lower prices ? Hmmmmmmmmm

Just asking ...do not have a clue but I am sure glad at 3 bucks a gallon that I drive a little Geo.
 

Liz

Deckhand
Wonder if total shut down of the State of New Jersey had some part in this:confused: As I think that Bayonne port is managed by tri-state Port Authority wouldn't know why, but still:confused: :confused:

Tentative budget approved and casinos are open again, :green:

NJ LIVES, for the moment, anyhow
 

BDAdaughter

Deckhand
Liz said:
Wonder if total shut down of the State of New Jersey had some part in this:confused: As I think that Bayonne port is managed by tri-state Port Authority wouldn't know why, but still:confused: :confused:

Tentative budget approved and casinos are open again, :green:

NJ LIVES, for the moment, anyhow
Nooooooooooo - they HAVE to settle by Sun :eek:
 

CruiserJohn

Deckhand
Crude oil prices are high.

Therefore oil company inventories are as low as possible.

Supplier didn't expect, the Princess didn't communicate early enough, the increased demands of the Crown over the weekend.

Early enough in the New York harbor might be as long as 120 days before date depending on the supplier.

Won't happen again.
 

Liz

Deckhand
How totally incredible to have your knowledgeable input, Cruiser John....

SO HAPPY to see you here so often, lately:joy: :green: :joy: :green: :dancer:
 

Dani

Deckhand
Me happy too ! :joy: :green:

However it is also a compliment to us ! CruiserJohn just knows he is spending time with a fascinating,erudite group of people :clap:

And if he didn't, I just told him :D

Why, people would pay to see some of us ! Local zoos always need more exotic animals on display. 8)
 

CruiserJohn

Deckhand
My industry sources tell me that the story as related by CharlieW's friends is not plausible --

Princess evidentially has a "take or pay" lifting agreement with their supplier (unnamed, but I know who it is) in the New York area, and the lifting for the Crown would be covered.

My sources don't know the details, but there are a couple of scenarios:

Possible that lifting for Crown would be above agreement limits, hence market price would apply, hence could have been shopping around for a better spot lifting price. This would account for two deliveries. Since the ship was in New York for the time they would have been in Grand Turk, this accounts for the miss, assuming the cruise is planned to near the maximum cruising speed.

Also possible that the first barge could have developed a technical fault that required repair before bunkering could resume. This could have required replacement of the barge on site. In this case the demurrage charges and possibly the payment to passengers could have been to the account of the supplier of the bunkers.

I'll try to find out more.

Thanks for the compliments -- not deserved, I'm sure.
 

CharlieW

Deckhand
Cruiser John,

Thanks for the update. I thought there would be more to this story. It just didn't sound right that the supplier wouldn't have enough fuel for the Crown. Price shopping sounds more plausible but would they risk pissing off their passengers by delaying like that.

I still think there is more to come on this. BTW, the Crown finally departed at 1am.
 

Dani

Deckhand
CruiserJohn,

Thanks for a more detailed and plausible answer. :clap:

The fuel costs, Charlie I bet the increased amount of the fuel would be enough that the credit to the customers was chicken feed.

They are allowed by contract to miss a port, so passengers can get mad but Ship happens all the time.

The second reason would also be covered by Ship passenger contract and again Ship happens.

Either way the passengers could get mad but all the above would be allowed by the Ship contract, I would assume not being a lawyer.

Again the axiom "Follow the Money " is proven.
 

Maria

Deckhand
Does this mean that it's still ok to cruise on the Crown Princess or is one better off on Grandeur of the Seas
 

CruiserJohn

Deckhand
A "take or pay" agreement is one where the purchaser has committed to lifting a certain volume during each time period of the contract (weekly, monthly, etc.).

Generally, these agreements are for purchasers of LARGE volumes where the supplier will have to make capital investments to meet the volume requirement.

All sorts of weird business goes on with these contracts when spot prices are different from the price outlook when the deal was made -- for example: (and this is my imagination, not what I know happened)

Suppose Royal Caribbean was committed to lifting more than needed that week, and Princess was committed to lifting less, and suppose the spot price was significantly higher than either cruise lines contract price. Then RCCL might have "shopped" their unneeded but committed lifting at a slightly less than spot market price, knowing that Princess needed more bunkers than were contracted (supposed to be a secret, but word always gets around). If the RCCL excess were offered to Princess at (say) 95% of spot -- then RCCL loses less money than simply paying for the under lift, and Princess pays a little less than if the over lift had been done at the spot price. Someone pays the supplier to carry the lift across the bay from Bayonne to New York, and everyone is happy with the result.
 

Liz

Deckhand
In other words:confused:;)

.....I have a contract to buy 1,000 apples this week at $1 per apple. I only need 750 apples. Princess needs 250 more apples but they would have to pay $2 per apple at the grocery store. So, they buy my extra apples at, say, $1.25:confused: each plus they pay the cost of shipping my apples from Bayonne to Brooklyn
 

CruiserJohn

Deckhand
Liz: Exactly -- but of course, being business, it is much more complicated that that.

These contracts always start with a blank sheet of paper, and the terms are as varied as the imagination of the respective companies negotiators.
 

Maria

Deckhand
Earlier quote: Does this mean that it's still ok to cruise on the Crown Princess or is one better off on Grandeur of the Seas


The question didn’t receive much of a response; mostly I’m sure that it had to do with the fact that it was suppose to have been sent as a private message not to the forum. Since it did go to the forum I’ll rephrase the question and hope for some response.

Has anyone cruised on the Crown Princess or Grandeur of the Seas?


I’ve been looking at both cruises and I would actually prefer the Grandeur of the Seas my husband prefers the Crown Princess because it’s going to Turks and Caicos and it also goes to Bermuda and I’ve never been there so it could be fun. The dilemma also lies in the fact that cruising out of NY is easier than Baltimore but not by much.


Any and all information will be highly appreciated :dancer:
 

Liz

Deckhand
:oops: Maria, have never cruised, yet, on ANY Princess ship or on RCCL, either.

Am SURE that BOTH would be totally fine.....just for you and Mark to decide on itinerary, price AND departure city.:D
 
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